I love my standard longhaul pants in all ways once I figured out what size I needed. It was exciting to see this other shop pant style and I immediately ordered them. Same benefits of wool as my other longhauls, just heavier and a more relaxed fit that I was expecting. But, the waist on the shop pant was clearly a different measurement than my other longhauls, so much so that I almost could have dropped down to the smaller size. After a wash (admittedly, in warm instead of cold) they're a better fit, but I'm glad I'm always wearing a belt.